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Jason G. Williscroft

Another Glutton for Punishment

Here's a blast from the past.

Remember Torgerson? Last September, while kicking him into his hat over his reaction to my quantitative analysis of the then-current state of the Iraq war, entitled “Putting Civilian Deaths in Perspective,” I made the following comment:

Torgerson, if you can show me that the CURRENT rate of death by starvation among the Iraqi five-and-under set works out to 32,000 kids a year, I will quite publicly eat my hat. Otherwise, whether you like it or not, I judge that you are implicitly agitating in favor of murdering children.

This thread was about as dead as they get until last week, when one James Miller posted this nugget:

Jason, hate to say it, but you got beat. You actually got emotionally involved enough to tell a reasonable debater that he wants to murder children. Wow. No matter what you say now you will be assumed to be irrational. Since you have a strong opinion based on what you admit is sparse data I have to assume you are anyway. You might as well just take down your site. Better luck next war/conflict/ego pumping scheme.

<sigh>

Okay, Jim, let's take this one step at a time. Try to keep up.

I'm one of those pedants who insists on using words in accordance with their actual definitions. The habit drives my liberal friends crazy, but I find that it often streamlines communication. In this case the operative term is implicitly, root implicit.

According to dictionary.com, implicit means

  1. Implied or understood though not directly expressed: an implicit agreement not to raise the touchy subject.
  2. Contained in the nature of something though not readily apparent: “Frustration is implicit in any attempt to express the deepest self” (Patricia Hampl).
  3. Having no doubts or reservations; unquestioning: implicit trust.

I used the word according to definition #2: although Torgerson surely has no overt desire to murder children, the death of innocents is a natural consequence of the position he espouses. In other words, whether he wants children to be murdered or not, if we act on his positions, they will die. Since Torgerson was agitating in favor of his position, and since a natural consequence of this position's implementation is the murder of children, I judged Torgerson to be implicitly agitating in favor of murdering children.

I don't think Torgerson is an evil man. I just think he's a dangerous fool.

Published Monday, April 11, 2005 9:32 AM by jscroft
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jscroft said:

Somehow, my ears were burning, so I thought I'd check in on one of my favorite spots in that weird topsy turvy parallel-Earth called the right wing blogosphere. What do I find but good ole Jason muttering under his breath to the one guy still paying attention that I'm a "dangerous fool" for the apparently dangerous and foolish belief that invading a country is not too condusive to the health of the invaded.

Let's review. Our Jason crafted this really neato looking spreadsheet showing that bombing the bejeezus out of Iraq and taking over the country actually led to fewer civilian deaths than was happening before the war under Saddam. Since I was on record as disputing the logic of that premise, solely dependent as it was on the paucity of post-invasion data, I was therefore in favor of a position for which a natural consequence was "the murder of children". (A community college course on logic is desparately needed here, but that's another story.)

If I recall correctly, my reply at the time was to urge our Jason to switch to decaf.

Little did either of us know that as we were having that discussion, researchers from the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health were traveling to dozens of war torn Iraqi communities to answer this exact question. Their findings were published in the Lancet a month after our conversation. The conclusion? Iraqi civilians suffered at least 100,000 additional civilian deaths than the death rate detected before the invasion - a figure that jumps far higher if you include the smoking ruin once called "Fallujah".

This, in case your attention wandered dear reader, effectively demolishes our Jason's argument and spreadsheet into finely ground insignificant dust. Press release on the study found here:
http://www.jhsph.edu/PublicHealthNews/Press_Releases/PR_2004/Burnham_Iraq.html

Use the link on the press release to the study itself when Lancet's website is fully functional again.

Now don't worry Jason, your challenge has enough wiggle room in it to avoid making good on your pledge, at least until someone does the math on the JHU findings on malnutrition mortality post war. That's just a matter of time and interest though, so I suggest you use that time to decide if you want a fedora fondue, or maybe just a more egalitarian baseball cap with ketchup and mustard.

QED

Kind Regards,
Richard
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